Rough twisty gravel road is 3 miles long. Some turns are high cliffs with no guard rails. We had a few young couples making out in pickup trucks when we got there. No bathrooms or really any woods around the space. Signs say no fires, but there was a fire ring. 4x4s flying down the road at midnight and then again at 5am. Not for the feint of heart. The view of the city was incredible.

Open area on the side of FR117/Ward canyon road. Very rough road but very doable in 2wd. Couple wash outs that could be sketchy when wet. Lots of 4x4s going up and down but quiets down in the night. Bring a camera because the view of the valley is incredible.